Ebay.com SCAM Sled Related Post

[Paula]

There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections. Some
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.

Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some of
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting funds
be sent Western Union.

[Gary C]

Paula, I've noticed the *cheap* prices too.
Do you have any proof of this being a scam?
How did you learn of this?

Post by Paula
There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections.

Some

Post by Paula
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.
Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some of
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting funds
be sent Western Union.

[Paula]

I just happen to know a sled dealer in Michigan whose Ebay account was
hijacked and they started listing sleds for $2500.00. This dealer has no
idea how someone got his password for Ebay but needless to say has just
about ruined his reputation as a seller on Ebay as a result of this. He has
been a seller on Ebay for 4 years now and doing rather well but as a result
of this happening he is worried what effect this is going to have on his
sales. What he thinks happened is that one of his employees responded to a
fake email claiming to be from Ebay and he followed the instructions in the
email.

Ebay quickly removed the auctions but they are having a hard time catching
the person(s) who are doing this and it seems that every day new ones are
popping up.

Ebay is suggesting that sellers change their passwords frequently and never
respond to emails claiming to be from Ebay asking you for personal
information etc.

The way the scam is working is this:

They find a seller who has excellent feedback (send bogus Ebay email asking
this seller to verify their information via a link in the email. The seller
is then directed to a site that looks very much like Ebay and fills in his
personal information). Now this con artist has seller's ID and password and
can list away on Ebay without the seller even knowing this until it is too
late.

In the auction listing they put the following information:

You must email the seller to get on their bid list

Offering free shipping anywhere in the U.S.A.

Seller wants you to email them for payment arrangements

Seller only accepts Western Union for payment

Now anyone who knows anything about sleds can see through the scam but
unfortuantely some people just can't seem to resist and have fallen victim
to this.

Post by Gary C
Paula, I've noticed the *cheap* prices too.
Do you have any proof of this being a scam?
How did you learn of this?

Post by Paula
There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections.

Some

Post by Paula
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.
Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some of
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting

funds

Post by Paula
be sent Western Union.

[Gary C]

Thanks for the explanation, Paula.

Post by Paula
I just happen to know a sled dealer in Michigan whose Ebay account was
hijacked and they started listing sleds for $2500.00. This dealer has no
idea how someone got his password for Ebay but needless to say has just
about ruined his reputation as a seller on Ebay as a result of this. He has
been a seller on Ebay for 4 years now and doing rather well but as a result
of this happening he is worried what effect this is going to have on his
sales. What he thinks happened is that one of his employees responded to a
fake email claiming to be from Ebay and he followed the instructions in the
email.
Ebay quickly removed the auctions but they are having a hard time catching
the person(s) who are doing this and it seems that every day new ones are
popping up.
Ebay is suggesting that sellers change their passwords frequently and never
respond to emails claiming to be from Ebay asking you for personal
information etc.
They find a seller who has excellent feedback (send bogus Ebay email asking
this seller to verify their information via a link in the email. The seller
is then directed to a site that looks very much like Ebay and fills in his
personal information). Now this con artist has seller's ID and password and
can list away on Ebay without the seller even knowing this until it is too
late.
You must email the seller to get on their bid list
Offering free shipping anywhere in the U.S.A.
Seller wants you to email them for payment arrangements
Seller only accepts Western Union for payment
Now anyone who knows anything about sleds can see through the scam but
unfortuantely some people just can't seem to resist and have fallen victim
to this.

Post by Gary C
Paula, I've noticed the *cheap* prices too.
Do you have any proof of this being a scam?
How did you learn of this?

Post by Paula
There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections.

Some

Post by Paula
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.
Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some

of

Post by Gary C

Post by Paula
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting

funds

Post by Paula
be sent Western Union.

[Karl Shoemaker]

Thanks for the post, Paula, and I hope that dealer can get his
repulation cleared up. Something all us Ebay'ers might be aware of. My
better half got a "scam" letter from "safeharbor" about another subject
and we heard back from the "real" ebay people that it was also a scam.
What a world, eh?

Karl in Spokane

[Shawn Oatley]

You mention the phoney e-mail from Ebay - I think I got one of those too but
never put my info in. The thing that tipped me off is that the link went to
an IP address (207.??.???.??) instead of ebay.com. I thought it was aweful
wierd at the time and that could be why.

Shawn

Post by Paula
I just happen to know a sled dealer in Michigan whose Ebay account was
hijacked and they started listing sleds for $2500.00. This dealer has no
idea how someone got his password for Ebay but needless to say has just
about ruined his reputation as a seller on Ebay as a result of this. He has
been a seller on Ebay for 4 years now and doing rather well but as a result
of this happening he is worried what effect this is going to have on his
sales. What he thinks happened is that one of his employees responded to a
fake email claiming to be from Ebay and he followed the instructions in the
email.
Ebay quickly removed the auctions but they are having a hard time catching
the person(s) who are doing this and it seems that every day new ones are
popping up.
Ebay is suggesting that sellers change their passwords frequently and never
respond to emails claiming to be from Ebay asking you for personal
information etc.
They find a seller who has excellent feedback (send bogus Ebay email asking
this seller to verify their information via a link in the email. The seller
is then directed to a site that looks very much like Ebay and fills in his
personal information). Now this con artist has seller's ID and password and
can list away on Ebay without the seller even knowing this until it is too
late.
You must email the seller to get on their bid list
Offering free shipping anywhere in the U.S.A.
Seller wants you to email them for payment arrangements
Seller only accepts Western Union for payment
Now anyone who knows anything about sleds can see through the scam but
unfortuantely some people just can't seem to resist and have fallen victim
to this.

Post by Gary C
Paula, I've noticed the *cheap* prices too.
Do you have any proof of this being a scam?
How did you learn of this?

Post by Paula
There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections.

Some

Post by Paula
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.
Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some

of

Post by Gary C

Post by Paula
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting

funds

Post by Paula
be sent Western Union.

[Karl Shoemaker]

Somtimes I do a ping or a trace route, but that not always works with
"Billware" (windows).

Karl

[Dean]

any windows PC with tcp/ip installed can ping or traceroute....

For anyone that would like to see an example of the ebay scam URL,
here is one:

http://211.170.97.202:5801/%73%65%63%75%72%69%74%79/%69%6E%64%65%78%2E%68%74%6D

Notice how it is not a secure URL. That is a dead giveaway, not to
mention the IP address and nonstandard port...

-Dean

Post by Karl Shoemaker
Somtimes I do a ping or a trace route, but that not always works with
"Billware" (windows).
Karl

--
92 Polaris Indy 440 XCR
http://ripperd2.dhs.org/

[Karl Shoemaker]

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[Dean]

Well, mainly because security companies have made it popular. Pinging
and port scanning go somewhat hand in hand, they are discovery tools,
to discover if a host is up, and if so, what services it offers. They
really are perfectly legitimate operations... Back when windows 98
and 95 were popular they were susceptible to a malformed ping request
called ping of death, and there were a couple exploits for pinging
someone to get them to crash. But those have long since been fixed,
so they are non-issues now-days.

People block pinging because it gives them a (false) sense of
security. And because companies have HYPED it pretty good (gibson
research GRC.com scans anyone?). Really though, if you get
port-scanned, you more than likely will show at least a denied
request, which means that your computer is in fact alive and on.
especially higher up ports, around 1025-1100. These are ports your
applications are listening for data on, and are only open for less
than a minute at a time.

Really all it is an annoyance to network admins trying to do
diagnostics though.

I allow ping traffic to my web server, and I often ping it when I am
near a computer when not at home, since the response time is directly
dependent on what my internet pipe usage is at...

-Dean

Post by Karl Shoemaker
Dean, not to get off topic, but why is it some sites (deny) pinging? I'm
assuming it's an effort to block out the bad people, trying to hack in
and corrop a system??
Karl

--
92 Polaris Indy 440 XCR
http://ripperd2.dhs.org/

[Karl Shoemaker]

Ok, that sounds reasonable. My domain, dalek.org is one the hoster
turned that function off. Other hosters in the past have not. But that's
the least of my problems right now. Another story.
thanks, Dean

Karl

[Rick Bennett]

Hey Dean sounds good. My router allows me to block ping,is this good or
bad,or makes no difference?The thing I cannot change (?) is the unique
identity my isp has assigned me?
thanks,
Rick
ps-I am not paranoid,just curious,lol

Post by Karl Shoemaker
Ok, that sounds reasonable. My domain, dalek.org is one the hoster
turned that function off. Other hosters in the past have not. But that's
the least of my problems right now. Another story.
thanks, Dean
Karl
--
http://www.dalek.org

[Dean]

It really makes no difference. Your router is most likely not
suceptable to attacks using malformed ping requests.

Yes, your IP address is something that is required in order to get on
the internet. In logical terms, it's like your house address. If you
send for some information, the senders will need to know where to send
the packet...

-Dean

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:52:43 GMT, "Rick Bennett"

Post by Rick Bennett
Hey Dean sounds good. My router allows me to block ping,is this good or
bad,or makes no difference?The thing I cannot change (?) is the unique
identity my isp has assigned me?
thanks,
Rick
ps-I am not paranoid,just curious,lol

Post by Karl Shoemaker
Ok, that sounds reasonable. My domain, dalek.org is one the hoster
turned that function off. Other hosters in the past have not. But that's
the least of my problems right now. Another story.
thanks, Dean
Karl
--
http://www.dalek.org

--
92 Polaris Indy 440 XCR
http://ripperd2.dhs.org/

[MVGESQ]

About 2 weeks ago, a ski doo 007 rev was offered with the SAME photo as one the
week before. This photo was not a stock photo, but a shot of the sled next to
another sled inside a garage. I e-mailed the seller and asked about the photo
and they responded, "e-mail me for a great deal". Next day the listing
disappeared without completing the time allowed.

[Wicked ZR 800]

I saw that listing for the 007 REV too, it's not just snowmobiles but bikes
and cars too. Most of the auctions that are listed as private auction and
you need to email the sellers to be added to their pre-approved bidder list
are scams, they email you back the price and where they want you to send
them the money first by western union and then they tell you to put it in
someone else's name like your brother and then give them the western union
claim number so they can verify the funds are there and then they'll ship
you the sled or bike then after you receive the item you can inspect it and
if you're happy you call western union and change the name to his name so he
can get the money. It's such a load of crap, western union will give him the
money as long as he knows who's name you put it in and the claim number so
you're screwed once you give him that information. 99% of the items are
being sold from overseas so you have no recourse when he runs with your
cash. I love emailing these jerks and stringing them along and when you tell
them you found another sled for 2000.00 bucks less they will drop the price
immediately to beat the other guy, it's kind of entertaining to send them
running down to western union thinking it's payday thanks to some dumb
American. After I get done playing with them I notify Ebay who cancels the
auction once they check it out, I suggest everyone try it to pass the time
while you're waiting for snow.

Post by MVGESQ
About 2 weeks ago, a ski doo 007 rev was offered with the SAME photo as one the
week before. This photo was not a stock photo, but a shot of the sled next to
another sled inside a garage. I e-mailed the seller and asked about the photo
and they responded, "e-mail me for a great deal". Next day the listing
disappeared without completing the time allowed.

[SRXfreak]

My buddy got scammed on a car deal for 17K. It's real, and they're out there.
'freak

[k.mccready]

Figures. That's your kind of friend.

Post by SRXfreak
My buddy got scammed on a car deal for 17K. It's real, and they're out there.
'freak

[SRXfreak]

<< From: "k.mccready" ***@mchsi.com
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003 11:39 AM
Message-id: <8jfhb.712478$***@sccrnsc01>

Figures. That's your kind of friend.

<BR><BR>

This from the alcoholic who was booted out of law school, and now hawks used
crap on ebay with a horrible feedback rating......I wouldn't be surprised if
you were connected to some of this bullshit. Oh my, you're not going to sue
me, are you?! I'm just quivering with anticipation.......
'freak

[k.mccready]

Whoa, talk about defamation! You'd better retract your statements below,
freak, or you're gonna get sued:

1. I am not nor was I ever an alcoholic;
2. I was not booted out of law school;
3. I do not hawk "used crap" on ebay; I sold used suits primarily until I
got kicked off in 7/02. I'm now suing ebay to get reinstated.
4. I do not have a horrible feedback rating; in fact, my feedback rating is
above 97%.

I'll let you off for the "connected to..." line of crapola. Obviously I'm
not connected to any of it, you loser.

So, you now have 7 days to retract your defamatory statements, or I will sue
you. The line has been drawn!

Kenneth A. McCready, J.D.

Post by SRXfreak
Date: Thu, Oct 9, 2003 11:39 AM
Figures. That's your kind of friend.

<BR><BR>

This from the alcoholic who was booted out of law school, and now hawks used
crap on ebay with a horrible feedback rating......I wouldn't be surprised if
you were connected to some of this bullshit. Oh my, you're not going to sue
me, are you?! I'm just quivering with anticipation.......
'freak

[c***@gmail.com]

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[RoadRunner]

the site they sent me is mad quads.biz check it out and let me know if this
is the same thanks rob.

Post by Paula
There is a scam going around on ebay.com in the Ebay Motors sections.

Some

Post by Paula
clowns have hijacked seller's accounts and offering new 2003 and 2004
Skidoo, Artic Cat and Polaris sleds for $2500.00 to $3000.00 delivered.
Apparently they are taking over established ebay seller accounts (some of
them are actually sled dealers) and posting bogus auctions requesting funds
be sent Western Union.

[sleddude5]

These scams began showing up around October. Most common with ORV's
but all have a couple common threads.
-Must be a preapproved buyer. (They approve everyone, then get money
from all who are gullible enough)
-Must send money Western Union.
-Most commonly listed as overseas location, but not always.
-Deals are too good to be true. (Come on, free shipping anywhere in
the world?)

Just ask where you can come and check out the vehicle, sled, ATV, etc.
You gonna spend hard earned moola on something without even looking at
it? Not me, eh!

From what I have heard this is a ring of people most likely
originating from somewhere in Europe, and they have made millions of
these scams.

Fellow RSS'ers please beware.